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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi Thomas,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">thank you for setting up this list! I really hope that it will help in improving the way Ocaml<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">can be used on Windows. We are working on some OCaml projects that ultimately need to
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">be compiled into a Windows-DLL using the MSVC-Toolchain. The development itself is done
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">entirely on Linux. In particular, we rely on a number of packages on Windows:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">OCaml 4.02.1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Batteries 2.3.1
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Ocamlgraph 1.8.5<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Re
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">ZArith 1.2.1 (we failed in building newer versions)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Volt (a variant of the Bolt logging library)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">menhir<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">camlp4<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">To my experience, compiling the core components (i.e. OCaml, findlib, flexdll, and batteries)
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">from scratch with MSVC from Visual Studio 2012 within Cygwin, both 32 and 64 bits, is rather<br>
straight-forward and well supported. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Building the other libraries has been rather difficult: Confusion arises when it comes to specifying
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search paths when configuring the package builds: Sometimes, one has to specify Unix-like
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">pathnames. At other times, one has to use Windows pathnames. And the question whether to
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">use slashes or backslashes, the file extensions and naming conventions, etc. worsen the situation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Some examples:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4"><![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Menhir gets confused by Windows and Unix-like Pathnames when built on Cygwin.<br>
Hint: You have to specify Windows-Pathnames, but replace any backslashes by slashes<br>
to set the PREFIX in the menhir configuration…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4"><![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The makefile of the regular expression library Re does not correctly handle the .obj<br>
file extension produced on Windows.<br>
Hint: Build Re until it fails; remove the file setup.obj by hand, and build again. Then it<br>
succeeds…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4"><![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Another problem are the paths to the ocaml libraries as reported by ocamlc and ocamlfind.<br>
Sometimes they differ (one reports Unix-pathnames, the other Windows-like paths).<br>
This disturbs the ocamlgraph configuration process. Moreover, we failed in building<br>
ocamlgraph as a shared library.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4"><![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">A similar problem related to paths exists in camlp4’s configuration. Resolving it requires
<br>
modifications in its myocamlbuild.ml and its install.sh shell script.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4"><![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Building ZArith requires the –mpir and -noasm options and some further hacking in<br>
its configuration file. We only managed to build the older version 1.2.1.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Of course, OPAM on Windows would be great. Offering help to the package maintainers to test their
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">build system on Windows might help a lot. I will try to file bug reports on the issues that I encountered
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">when building on Cygwin to the appropriate package maintainers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Martin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> wg-windows [</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><a href="mailto:wg-windows-bounces@lists.ocaml.org"><span lang="DE">mailto:wg-windows-bounces@lists.ocaml.org</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">]
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Thomas Braibant<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 29. </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Mai 2015 17:11<br>
<b>An:</b> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><a href="mailto:wg-windows@lists.ocaml.org"><span lang="EN-US">wg-windows@lists.ocaml.org</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> [wg-windows] Improving the state of OCaml on Windows<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks for joining this working group. Its goal is to find out how to improve the state of OCaml and its ecosystem on Windows. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Some of the tasks that we might address (this list is by no mean meant to be exhaustive nor normative):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">- Gather information from the community about the use of the various versions of OCaml available on Windows, and understand what kind of environment people are working with. (BTW, I think a good way to get the discussion
rolling might be to describe each other's setup to use OCaml on Windows.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">- Finalize OPAM support for Windows (this is listed on the OPAM 1.3 roadmap). When this support is in place, many OCaml packages should work out of the box (with the proviso that many packages assume a unix-ish environment
for their build system). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">- Discuss how to help package developers improve Windows support. One way to do that could be to provide know-how about how to setup continuous integration on services like Appveyor to check that packages build on typical
Windows setups. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">- Find a solution for users of WODI, the GODI based OCaml distribution for Windows, which has been shutdown. WODI was able to compile OCaml related software (using Cygwin as an environment), but was also able to install
binary packages. (In some cases, some non-trivial patches were applied to make package usable on Windows.) Some of the sources needed to use WODI are still available, but the system does not work out of the box now that the server has gone offline. With a
little work, we might be able to bring it back, to smooth the transition. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">- Discuss the state of cross compilation to Windows. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">- Advertise OCamlPro's OCPWin commercial effort. (I will leave Fabrice tell a bit more about that.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">- Discuss how to pool resources (if needed) to work toward these goals. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Many thanks to Anil and OcamlLabs for hosting this mailing list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thomas<o:p></o:p></p>
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